Reply to commenter with a parasitic mind about torturing animals censored on Patterico’s Pontifications blog – article on Dominion and Matt Scully.

I recently had a reply to an obnoxious commenter censored on the “Patterico’s Pontifications” blog. Here’s an excerpt from his post:

10/7/2013 – Matt Scully on . . . Well, You’ll Find Out. Ethos Before Logos. — Patterico @ 11:13 pm

…when Matt talks about animal rights, I assume that y’all are going to listen respectfully. You don’t have to agree. Just listen with an open mind. That’s all he asks, and all I ask.

This cursus honorum of pro-life commitment — and you could throw in a good many columns on the matter in National Review and elsewhere — is offered by way of asking readers, and especially those of shared conviction, to consider another moral concern, cruelty to animals, in the same merciful spirit. I kept thinking of the connection between abortion and extreme cruelty during the trial last April and May of Dr. Gosnell, the specialist in late-term abortions (right there in Governor Casey’s state) who is now in prison, because it was a case of people numbed to horrors that had become routine and normalized, and a case of euphemisms dragged into the light of day. Conservative commentators seized on the hypocrisy of pro-choice liberals, deriding all the cant and rationalization that the Left uses in defense of abortion, and finally shaming the major media — thanks above all to columnist Kirsten Powers, a Democrat — into covering the trial after weeks of silence. I completely agreed, but just wished that those same conservatives might think as clearly and forthrightly about other horrors and other euphemisms.

There’s quite a bit of both, to take just the example closest to home, in the modern animal factories we call farms. One could equally cite other routine forms of abuse inflicted on animals — for spectacles, for bloody recreation, or in the name of science — but this is the abuse that is the most widespread, and the most directly affected and sustained by the choices that you and I make. The factory farms — producing almost every animal product we see sold or advertised, in our country and most others — are places of immense and avoidable suffering. And though the moral stakes are not the same as with abortion, the moral habits are, relying in both cases on the averted gaze and a smothering of empathy.

I happen to agree with Matt wholeheartedly on this issue. …

I think eating meat is part of the cycle of nature, but I support humane treatment of animals, and recognize that many of them share human emotions, which many consider the touchstone of humanity. If you don’t believe me, I suggest reading When Elephants Weep: The Emotional Lives of Animals. I read this years ago and found the evidence clear and convincing.

But there I go. My goal in this post is not to convince you of anything. It’s to direct you to Matt’s piece. He is the speechwriter; I’m not. If anyone has the rhetorical knowledge and power to convince you of the moral imperative to treat animals in a humane fashion, it’s Matt. So go read his piece now. It’s rather lengthy, but I promise you: it’s worth your time.

P.S. Matt has a book about all this, if you’re interested. It’s called Dominion: The Power of Man, the Suffering of Animals, and the Call to Mercy. Check it out.

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Then, in the comments to the above article, an obnoxious woman (Sherri) with a parasitic mind about torturing animals wrote:

  1. I became a vegetarian then vegan for about 6 years. My oldest daughter never ate meat until she was 2 years old. Why did she eat meat at 2? Because I had another child, less time, less money. Here we are 11 yrs later, a total of 4 kids, all meat eaters.To buy vegetable protein (which newer studies say isn’t very good for you) is so over the top expensive that there is no way I could feed 6 people for under $200/week. These kids eat A LOT. My 6 year old (who is stick thin) can polish off 3 hamburgers, 2 hotdogs, and 2 servings of salad at one meal.With the amount of time it takes to make really good tasting, healthy vegan dishes for 6 people, I would never leave the kitchen. I barely left when I was doing it for 2 people.

    nk (14) is absolutely right, factory farming is vital. And I’d love to buy more free-range meat, but it too is prohibitively expensive, esp in the cities. I’d rather the money get spent on my kids’ drum and guitar lessons, boy scouts, and other activities.

    Comment by Sherri (26558e) — 10/8/2013 @ 6:24 am

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To which I replied:

  1. “And I’d love to buy more free-range meat, but it too is prohibitively expensive, esp in the cities. I’d rather the money get spent on my kids’ drum and guitar lessons, boy scouts, and other activities.”

So cruelty to animals is now justified because of how the middle classes must fill their senseless and petty useless time on the planet?

How ridiculous. If you know anything about nutrition, you can feed your family a lot of protein, including many types of animals, and not feed an industry that mistreats animals any which way.

And what kind of a boy scout group would teach a child that’s it’s OK to torture an animal for greed?

  1. Comment by Alessandra (205de0) — 10/9/2013 @ 7:26 am

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Then she replied:

“So cruelty to animals is now justified because of how the middle classes must fill their senseless and petty useless time on the planet?”

When I was vegan, I was probably this sanctimonious. My dad certainly tells me I was.

You must not have kids since you don’t seem to have any understanding of all the things (like music, art, drama, etc) are no longer in the schools and must need to be done, and paid for, outside of school.

“I basically only buy fish, free range chicken and organic meat and eggs (beef)+ dairy”

Good for you. Why don’t you share the wealth and send some of that money my way and then I’ll buy that stuff too?

Comment by Sherri (26558e) — 10/11/2013 @ 6:08 am

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CENSORED – then Patterico censored my reply:

“You must not have kids since you don’t seem to have any understanding of all the things (like music, art, drama, etc) are no longer in the schools and must need to be done, and paid for, outside of school.”

How many animals will you torture or be cruel to in order to pay for a little painting class? And for what? To create another generation of selfish, immoral adults like yourself?

How pathetic that you think you’re justified in supporting cruelty to animals because you want your child to have more petty leisure and less ethics.

Millions of children are brought up to be decent human beings without dozens of private classes of this fluff and that.

Surely what is most missing in your children’s upbringing are good values.

(end of censored comment)

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And what I hate about this woman is her moaning and griping about how horrible it is that other people are demanding a moral standard of her. All she is doing is making excuses for her sorry way of life. She complains that I am “sanctimonious” for adhering to ethics. She thinks she is entitled to cruelly mistreat animals to fit her budget. And she wants me to pay for whatever lifestyle she feels her obnoxious self is entitled to.

What kind of a woman wants to pay for private lessons by cruelly mistreating animals for greed? What a despicable, self-serving excuse of a human being.

It’s her disdain to the cruel treatment of animals because she wants a bit more cash that is so repulsive.

I’d love to know which Boy Scouts group her son goes to just so I could write to them saying this is the garbage of a parent one of the boys there have.

However, given that the Boy Scouts are now  normalizing homosexuality, they just might think torturing animals is also OK. After all, it follows the same logic: a stupid piece of turd of a human gets some kind of perverted pleasure out of something – it must be now legitimized in America.

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