Censored (in Christians and LGBT Bullying): how much homosexuals exaggerate their victimization, even fake “hate” crimes

Monday, December 17, 2012, 2:23 PM
Heather wrote:
December 17th, 2012 | 5:05 pm

Anna wrote: ” Christians must be willing to talk about and fight the bullying, harassment, and (yes) bigotry that gays and lesbians face. Roughly 80 percent of LGBT teens have experienced verbal harassment, and 40 percent have experienced physical harassment. ”

Nothing different than youth in general.

And what needs to be noted is that a significant number of youth who bully or harass or sexually harass others think what? That homosexuality is normal. And most teens who think homosexuality is normal, think porn is normal. And many of those think hook-ups are normal. And they spread an enormous number of STDs (especially if we include college students).

People with a homosexualist agenda should be willing to face how destructive their views on relationships and sexuality are, but they aren’t willing.

And many of these LGBT kids are exactly the kind that will advocate for the destruction of wonderful companies like Chick Fil A, who will discriminate against anyone who question their views as soon as they get in such a position, who minimize and trivialize all the violence that LGBT individuals perpetrate in society, etc.

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Heather wrote:
December 17th, 2012 | 5:24 pm

Andrew O’Brien wrote: “But on the other hand, gay people have largely trained themselves to believe that their whole lives revolve around their orientation, and because of this, every act of injustice against them MUST be because they are gay, even if it isn’t true.”

Nickol wrote: “On what basis do you make this sweeping, negative generalization about gay people? I have no hesitation classifying this as . . . shall we say a product of “anti-gay animus.” ”

Because the homosexualist agenda movement is largely based on a discourse of exaggerated and false claims to victimization, of equating LGBT people to blacks under oppressive racism, of claiming anyone who disagrees with their views is a bigot, of spreading wild lies about “epidemics of suicides,” etc.

On this blog, we had so many recent examples.

People with a homosexualist agenda will basically only omit, dismiss, minimize and trivialize information regarding how destructive, violent, or harmful LGBT individuals are, while posting comment after comment on how much violence (true or wildly exaggerated) LGBT people suffer.

And, as an aside tied to what Andrew wrote, based on news reports (but no formal study), the LGBT group is the minority group who most fakes “hate” crimes in society.

There are already very few other individuals who are so perverse to fake their own suffering, to dupe society, as if we didn’t have enough real horrible events as it is. But every now and then, there is a report in the news of another LGBT person who completely faked some attack – to *pretend* to be a victim.

Christians need to be aware just how manipulative people with a homosexualist agenda are.

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David Nickol replied: December 17th, 2012 | 6:56 pm

There are already very few other individuals who are so perverse to fake their own suffering, to dupe society, as if we didn’t have enough real horrible events as it is. But every now and then, there is a report in the news of another LGBT person who completely faked some attack – to *pretend* to be a victim.

Heather,

“Every now and then” there is a report? You make charges like that, and you “document” them by saying “every now and then there is a report”? I can come up with three fabricated anti-gay attacks. Can you come up with more? Suppose you can come up with ten. Does that reflect poorly on every gay person in America? If I can document a number of false charges of rape, does that prove women are “perverse” enough to fake their own suffering. If I can document a number of blacks falsely claiming racial attacks by whites, or vice versa, does that prove something about white people or black people in general?

It is a common tactic of yours to come up with some real or alleged offensive behavior of some gay people and treat it as if it were the behavior of gay people. That a classic characteristic of prejudice.

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CENSORED: my reply to David:

David wrote: “Every now and then” there is a report? You make charges like that, and you “document” them by saying “every now and then there is a report”?

I am reporting what I have seen reported: I see a report like this “every now and then,” not every day. Would you prefer I lie?

And yes, news reports are a form of documentation. Even when they report facts you don’t like, because it exposes issues with your manipulative narrative. Even when you would prefer that everyone would carelessly dismiss and ignore any kind of report that confirms dishonesty on the part of particular individuals with a homosexual problem and a homosexualist agenda.

Are we all supposed to lie that these reports and cases exist? Do we all have to be ignorant about them? It seems to bother you that they are one more example of how people with a homosexualist agenda fabricate lies about the victimization of LGBT individuals.

Your reaction also makes me wonder what happens if we have a person with a homosexualist agenda as news editor anywhere. It seems they would be highly motivated to suppress such reports.

David wrote: “I can come up with three fabricated anti-gay attacks. Can you come up with more? Suppose you can come up with ten. Does that reflect poorly on every gay person in America?”

It does raise questions as to how exaggerated are the victimizing claims by the LGBT community. Just how much are people with a homosexualist agenda trying to manipulate society with false or exaggerated claims? I think that is a very important question.

Your strawman consists of falsely claiming that a problem is not a problem simply because it is not valid for every individual. Fabricating attacks by some individuals is a subset of the larger problem of millions of people promulgating a discourse of various kinds of exaggerated or false victimizing claims for LGBT people.

Your strawman consists in attributing to me a claim of cloning every LGBT individual as the same, but I am not doing that.

Your logic is: since every LGBT individual is different, there are no problems with any LGBT person, nor with any homosexualist agenda. That’s just silly.

Pointing out the long list of problems with the varied kind of people espousing a homosexualist agenda is not the same as saying they are all clones.

Your construction of such shabby strawmen is a characteristic of manipulation – and a clear lack of valid arguments.

David wrote: “If I can document a number of false charges of rape, does that prove women are “perverse” enough to fake their own suffering. ”

It means that some are perverse enough to make very serious accusations that are false and damaging. And if you think that false accusations of rape are not a serious issue, it only goes to show how lacking in seriousness your views are.

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Below is a very good comment in the above thread:

David Strunk wrote:
December 17th, 2012 | 11:51 pm

I don’t disagree with the premise of the piece here at all. I agree wholeheartedly. We must protect the LGBT from bullying. The real question, implied in the piece, is from whom? Other Christians? I’m not so sure.

I wonder how much we advance the conversation when we either self-flagellate or straw man a whole group of people (ie evangelicals). I have a friend, gay, Christian, trying to live the difficult celibate life, and who is politically conservative. He regularly says that he has never lost a Christian friend for being gay (not even in patterns of sinfulness) but he’s lost tons of gay friends for being conservative. I honestly don’t know who the evangelical haters of the LGBT are, other than the fake war fought in blogs and on the tv. Most evangelicals (I amongst them) are too cowardly to have a conversation about Jesus with most, much less have a conversation about sin with someone in the LGBT community.

Again, where is this war really being fought, and are Christians really the bullies? There will always be some (and that is regrettable), I suppose, but let us not straw man a whole population of them.

Back to the premise of the piece, though, and that is this: we do have an obligation to protect anyone from bullying. Self-evident to a true Christian, perhaps?

 

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